} PLus there is a little sign that pops out to say "stop". Wish I had bought the 450 i grew up with, hindsight is 2020 Download the brochure for any NH Agriculture tractors and find out more about your favorite among agricultural tractors, forage harvesters and many more. #2. As far as the pickup. Login (0) - $0; Phone: (903) 640-5000 . One of the main things to look at is the gears on the sledge roller, you have to open the back of the baler to look at the gears and the idler gear between them if they are wore down and the teeth are sharp they need replaced D denvermartinfarms Well-known member Joined Jan 25, 2011 Messages 6,180 Reaction score 3 Location Ava mo Apr 1, 2013 #3 Both systems need a monitor. I do bale on some steep ground but last year had no problems like this. The monitor is just a buzzer and doesn't cost much to get new from the dealer, at least the one for my 664 didn't. "mainEntityOfPage": { I did just get the 186 from my uncle's estate and I want to restore it eventually, FARMING,PRETTY MUCH ANYTHING IH,HUNTING AND MOST IMPORTANT MY WIFE AND BOYS, 4 - 1086's Mostly to do with the twine system and hay buildup in the belts. Skip to Main Content. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo, http://www.haytalk.com/forums/index.php?app=core&module=attach§ion=attach&attach_id=55562, VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 901, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. it says 650 new holland auto tie. So, begin by inspecting the rollers, and if you see some foreign objects, remove them to make sure the baler can rotate freely. Replaces MFG 86642412 | Baler Belt | Fits NEW HOLLAND - FORD 650. We paid 15,000 for our baler 8 years ago put one roller in and 3? New Holland Round Baler 630 640 650 660 . All this happens without the operator doing ANYTHING. There are different size pulleys to obtain different amounts of twine wrapped on the bale. 1256 Even made bale smaller by adjusting baler but still make big bale when tgis happens there is a high pitch noise you hear. You need to determine which tie system your baler came with. The buzzer on this system buzzes when the tie arms start and again when the arms finish the tie cycle. 2 - 706D's I believe that old 660 made just as good of a bale as the newer balers and in my opinion it did it more reliably. If the baler is auto-wrap it should have a decal on the twine box hood saying so. 8 series was better but they are somewhat quirky in stalks too it seems. Therefore how do I contrroal the tie and the ejectoin form the baler? I see a electric connection by the PTO shaft. Please use the navigational links to explore our website. Only difference is the bale diameter. Our 9030 bidi has a load picking one bale at a time. Ours have been great but we are on relatively smooth, irrigated fields. From intuitive monitors to solutions like IntelliBale, you'll bale smarter and faster than ever before. I just purchased a New Holland 650 auto wrap baler. Plus webaled lots of CRP over the years. Tractor fords the pickup teeth needs to be changed, the starter roller could be wore down and it wont start rolling hay until you cram enough hay into it to start rolling on the belts Sep 4, 2012 / New Holland 650 hay Baler Clogging #3 OP D derrick1115 Member Joined Aug 30, 2012 Messages 30 Location Albertville,Alabama Tractor MF 135 Crank handle all the way out to lower pickup and put your foot on the small wheel that helps it follow the terrain and push. Its a matter of preferance. The bale command system and the autowrap system. Visit our website for photos and details of our complete used equipment inventory. You dont need the bale alarm unless you want it. 3588 2+2 If you manually pivot the twine arms up you will see anther plate rotate up to this opening. If you dont have it the system wont work. Look on the left hand side up high. As for why the pickup does not drop, check to see if the owner had a hydraulic lift for the pickup. "height": 57 The system works as follows. They may have put the wrong handle on your machine. Does deere offer endless belts? There will be a small cylinder on the left hand side, under the front shield, hooked to the lifting mechanism. Some PB blaster on the piot points usually cures it. (I have used my neighbor's 644 quite a bit, so I know the tying routine.) Ford & New Holland; John Deere; Massey Ferguson; Massey Harris; Minneapolis Moline; Oliver & Cockshutt; Kubota / Yanmar; TRACTOR MANUALS Allis Chalmers: Case: Farmall IH: Ford 8N,9N,2N: . Even made bale smaller by adjusting baler but still make big bale when tgis happens there is a high pitch noise you hear. 2 things i am having a problem with. 5488 For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. I am not familiar with this system, but as I understand, you MUST have the monitor to make the twine function. The hook looking part that is in front of the long arm, does it move? Parts are expensive and the newer ones are troublesome. They needed to use the excess money they made to make up for research on losing areas like the engine smog devoipment for the tier engines. England Aug 24, 2014 #10 only check the brake when the duck bill has gone in for afew seconds - thats the only time the brake will be off. You could try removing the bale size adjusting plate and lubricate the pivot pin. You could try removing the bale size adjusting plate and lubricate the pivot pin. I was just wondering how much hp is need to run a NH 658 baler? I dont know of anyranchers around here that get multi unit deals and discounts. There will be a small cylinder on the left hand side, under the front shield, hooked to the lifting mechanism. The monitor is just a buzzer and doesn't cost much to get new from the dealer, at least the one for my 664 didn't. As for why the pickup does not drop, check to see if the owner had a hydraulic lift for the pickup. #Haying #Crops #Starwars Shop. Tighten the bolt back where it was. There are different size pulleys to obtain different amounts of twine wrapped on the bale. If it doesn't say, look over your twine tie system. I bale with a cabbed tractor and cannot hear the mechanism start to tie, and I put up enough hay I do not want to have to watch every bale to see when it is tying, so I rely on my buzzer. They may have put the wrong handle on your machine. My NH648 did the same thing, first couple of rolls it wouldn't trip the tie, figured out the little leaver that engages the clutch was stiff and wouldn't move far enough to hold the clutch.. the area is behind the belt pulley and I couldn't get to it, I sprayed some lube behind the pulley in the disc area and cleaned it as best as I could, so far so good it's worked fine sense.. She is overheating. Section 1 - General Information If the baler is auto-wrap it should have a decal on the twine box hood saying so. WHen it is done the stop sign will hinge up and it is done. One tore laces I kept going and another one broke , wrapped a roller then all the belts broke. Parts are available and machines go forever. Powered by Invision Community, Farm 1600 acres, run mainly RED(gotta have a few others to make you appreciate the red ones even more)bought the '46 Farmall A in family since '52 when I was 17. I think the Vermeer is a good baler now but JD dealer every where and they stock parts for them. "@type": "ImageObject", The bale command system MUST have the monitor or bale alarm to function. Agco, Agco Allis, White, Massey Ferguson and their logos are the registered trademarks of AGCO Corporation. As for why the pickup does not drop, check to see if the owner had a hydraulic lift for the pickup. Always consult equipment operator's manual and follow safety instructions before operating or servicing any tractor or equipment, or attempting any task. and is the baler ejection from the hydralic system So it is my understanding that with auto (which I have) I do not need the alarm or the bale command system correct? The Bale Command is a small computer inside a box, with an LCD display and a bunch of buttons. Is the monitor the same as the bale command and or the bale alarm. I have no idea on the clearance dimension. After you adjust bale size just start baling. Mcgrady1974":8l2d8qgx said: Have a friend that has a new holland 650 round baler. Get your dealer to check your serial number then measure the length of the threads on the handle. If you miss the start of the tie cycle you will merrily keep baling until you realize and stop, get off the tractor and manually trip the tie cycle. Its a matter of preferance. Does anybody anybody anysolutions or ideas as to why this is happening. It says it is a auto tie what does that exactly mean? Im a couple years away from trading also. You are using an out of date browser. To ME this is much easier, though your results may vary. Check that the linkage is not binding at the pivot areas such as the handle, on the bale size adjusting plate pivot and where the bale size adjusting plate attaches to the flat link which trips the auto wrap. Now the bad news. I kick mine out at 4x65" and it is not uncommon to make 25-28 bales an hour with it. Been a really good baler. If you dont have it the system wont work. I completely overhauled one last year and they have no intentions of trading it. There will be a small cylinder on the left hand side, under the front shield, hooked to the lifting mechanism. If you have bale command then you MUST have the monitor for the baler to function. Does anybody anybody anysolutions or ideas as to why this is happening Also, there were two different lift setups made. I will blow the auto tie assembly off and post a picture in a few hours. I notice the pickup does not go to the ground even after turning the crank is there another lock device on that pickup? Some PB blaster on the piot points usually cures it. On the autowrap system you can use the "monitor" or "bale alarm" or you dont have to. When the bale gets to the right size the twine arms will drop ( you might hear a loud click noise) and a little sign will hinge down that says "stop". I've noticed that the newer new hollands don't hold up to being cowboy'd like the old ones. I think that is probably because of the change in stuffer design which now strongly resembles a Deere stuffer. "name": "Yesterday's Tractor Co.", The safety latch released when the arm got caught on the rod. Add To Cart. N newholland Member Location England Aug 24, 2014 #12 Please let me know if these pictures help you. home. examples: 737-3025 , 1234 , filter , oil , pump , etc. The knives won't drop down to cut the twine. FWIW Baling with the monitor is SOOOOO much easier. Had to spend 3200 on belts a couple weeks ago on ours. Now the bad news. Someone is probably being lazy, and does not want to go to the work of removing it from the tractor that was previously running the baler. You see more CNH balers on JD lots around here then JD balers on Case lots. Not that I know of. A forum community dedicated to hay, forage and silage owners and enthusiasts. When the bale reaches a preset size, which is adjustable, a mechanism trips a clutch that starts the worm gear box for the twine tie. Baling with the monitor is SOOOOO much easier. It also lugs the tractor down at this time. Correct. Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 12:59 pm Post subject: Re: New Holland 650 round baler help! WHen it is done the stop sign will hinge up and it is done. Auto tie/auto wrap does not need the monitor box. Both systems need a monitor. "@type": "Organization", WHen it is done the stop sign will hinge up and it is done. If it doesn't say, look over your twine tie system. Autowrap uses a worm gear box to drive the twine arms. Tell the person/dealer that you bought it from that it is not complete and you want the monitor. Is the monitor the same as the bale command and or the bale alarm I am a liitle confused. "height": 57 The electrical hookup could be for the auto-wrap monitor, not neccesarily for Bale Command, both systems require the electrical hookup between the baler and tractor. '78 Loadstar 1700 Once the plate is up to the opening, give the twine arm a hard pull to snap the plate back in place. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. I have read over the operator manuel and still have some ?. There is an indicator to show that the gate has latched. Once tripped the cam should pivot freely. When the bale reaches a preset size, which is adjustable, a mechanism trips a clutch that starts the worm gear box for the twine tie. 2 - 1460 combines I am a liitle confused. There is a guy on haytalk.com that know everything worth knowing about New Holland round and small square balers. Is the monitor the same as the bale command and or the bale alarm ok, there were 2 systems available for wrapping the bale. However, if nothing is stuck, it's recommended that you check the belt for slipping. There would be 3 hydraulic hoses, not two, to plug into the tractor. I have the auto wrap system therefore i do not need the bale alarm nor the bale command system correct? The twine arms drop down to the center of the bale for several wraps, moves outward, pauses for several wraps then move to the fully retracted position which triggers the knives to cut the twine. Mine sticks a little every spring. Thanks for joining us and I hope you enjoy your stay!! You stop will it is done wrapping. Also, there were two different lift setups made. "headline":"New Holland 650 round baler help! Check on the hydraulic lift like he said. }, I've got a New Holland 650 Autowrap that i got this spring. They did screw up some things on the newest series balers. Our customers all seem to be happy with their red balers. "url": "https://www.yesterdaystractors.com/graphics/smllogo.png", After you adjust bale size just start baling. Can I bale it without any electric hookup aleast till I find the bale command ect. Thank you for joining Heavy Equipment Forums! The bale command uses an electric actuator to drive the twine arms. in the Implement Alley forum followed by comments. Wrap problems, pickups wore out like crazy. He can't figure out how to adjust the size of the bale.and he doesn't have the manual to it.I told he I would look around for an answer. My dad's br780a is coming up on 30,000 bales on the original endless belts. If it isn't putting the twine into the bale, check the tapered plunger at the ends of the twine arms. 650/75R38 172A8 R-1W Single: 900/60R32 176A8 R-1W Single: 600/40-22.5 16PR I3 Dual castor: 600/40-22.5 16PR I3 Dual castor: . NE SD. Pro-Belt Round Balers; Roll-Belt Round Balers; Hayliner Small Square Balers; . Model . We'd appreciate any help you can offer in spreading the word of our new site. "publisher": { New Holland 650 Round Baler Belts Full Set 3 Ply Mini Roughtop w/MATO Brand: BT Belting Inc. 1 rating $1,41000 Specifications for this item Upper Baler Belt 1000388 3 PLY DT 7 X 525 Fits John Deere 467 530 430 435 466 1 offer from $621.99 Apache 25085381 7" Stainless Steel Alligator Rivet Fasteners with Pins (ARJ7/175) 77 9 offers from $69.97 "@id":"https://www.yesterdaystractors.com/cgi-bin/viewit.cgi?bd=implment&th=141766", I wouldn't hesitate on a CNH baler but I know them well. It will not move until the auto wrap is tripped. I've noticed that the newer new hollands don't hold up to being cowboy'd like the old ones. Nothing smooth or crop here other than we seeded 40 acres of neighbors to tame hay , 45 acres of oats and 160 acres of straw we bale every year. Started with the last chain balers(855s), all the way up through the 660s/664s, and 688s. This is explained in the manual. IF you want to look back and watch the indicator arm for the tie cycle, then you do not need the buzzer. At the other end of the tube you will see an opening between two plates. IF you want to look back and watch the indicator arm for the tie cycle, then you do not need the buzzer. Compare and save on NEW HOLLAND - FORD 650 round baler belts!! Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2013 5:13 pm Post subject: Re: NH 650 round baler setup questions. ", After you've made a number of posts you will graduate to Full Member status where you'll see a few more privileges. The bale command uses an electric actuator to drive the twine arms. HTH John so it sounds to me, buying the alarm system is worth the money ?maybe it depends on the cost? }. YOu can set the bale size by moving a stop. The more members that join, the bigger resource for all to enjoy. NH has had some teething pains with the current series. The first buzz tells you to stop the tractor and the second buzz tells you the bale is tied and is ready to eject. To ME this is much easier, though your results may vary. "@type": "WebPage", ", New Holland 650 baler not tripping to tie on bale when suppose to. Auto tie/auto wrap does not need the monitor box. New Holland 650 - NH ROUND BALER(02/92 - 12/95) Parts When the baler starts the tying cycle, the twine arms drop to the middle and then continue to the outside of the bale. It was a Rookie Mistake. ok, there were 2 systems available for wrapping the bale. 7" x 420.5" | 3 Ply Mini Rough Top | Clipper Hooks . and is the baler ejection from the hydralic system. 567s were all the rage here for a few years baling cornstalks. Sensors on the baler send inputs to this brain which sends signals back to operate the twine tie. As they swing down, they extend and the plunger has to hold the twine and its tag out so it is pulled under the bale. It is driven by a belt on the right hand side of the machine. On the autowrap system you can use the monitor or bale alarm or you dont have to. Just my opinion based off what Ive seen I rank NH behind Vermeer, Hesston, and JD. Case, Case-IH, Farmall, International Harvester, New Holland and their logos are registered trademarks of CNH Global N.V. window.dataLayer = window.dataLayer || []; function gtag(){dataLayer.push(arguments);} gtag('js', new Date()); gtag('config', 'G-04SJ2KTSCK',{ cookie_flags: 'max-age=7200;secure;samesite=none' }); Welcome! This 400+ page service manual is for the New Holland 630, 640, 650 and 660 round baler YellowPages Before you start your search for baler parts, know the specifics of your machine New Holland Round Balers - BR740A, BR750A, BR780, BR780A, BR7060, BR7070, BR7090, Roll-Belt . Mine sticks a little every spring. I have done the updates on several balers and anything built in 2017 on has all of those issues addressed. Our objective is to provide industry professionals a place to gather to exchange questions, answers and ideas. just overall appearance will tell you if it's had care or needs help, if the pickup isn't banged up to bad. The cam would be the part(hook) i am talking about. Lulich Implement Inc. Mason, Wisconsin 54856. We dont bale anything much good when I say 1500 bales it is off of over a 1000 acres of rocks hog wallows . mine has alot of issues. 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